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Fort Collins,CO,

Member Since:

May 15, 2003

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

Unaided PR's:
5K: 14:48 (Track - 2001)
10K: 30:45 (Track - 2001)
10K: 31:32 (Bolder Boulder - 2013)
Half Marathon: 1:06:09 (Duluth - 2013)
Marathon: 2:17:54 (Grandma's) - 2014)
Marathon: 2:19:47 (Indianapolis Monumental - 2013)
Marathon: 2:19:49 (Indianapolis Monumental - 2010)

Aided PR's:
10K: 29:38 (Des News - 2011)
Half Marathon: 1:05:30 (TOU Half - 2011)
Marathon: 2:18:09 (St George - 2007)
Marathon: 2:17:35 (Boston - 2011)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis in June of 2008. Started taking Enbrel in March, 2009.

Run as much as I can, and race as well as I can. Make the most of however much time I have left as an able-bodied runner.

Training for the 2018 Colorado Marathon

Long-Term Running Goals:

  Run until I'm old, and then run some more. Stand tall.

Personal:

1 wife, 2 kids. 1 cat. Work as a GIS Specialist/Map Geek

Endure and persist; this pain will turn to your good. - Ovid

Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us. - Romans 5:1-5

 

 

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Gorgeous Sunday up here in Logan. Too nice to stay inside all day. Took a nice autumn walk with my wife. Later, jogged out to LHS rec fields and did 4x200m strides (35, 33, 33, 32). They felt good and snappy.

I spent some time last night and today transferring my Polar training log over to the Blog for the 2004 running season, including race reports. So now I have 2003, 2004, and most of 2006 posted. I'll fill the gap probably next weekend. Looking back at 2004, I did A LOT more mileage than in 2003, and I expected it to pay off and run some really fast times...but that's not what happened. In fact, 2004 was probably my worst racing season. Despite holding steady to 80-100 mile weeks for most of the summer, my times were slower compared to 2003, from 5k to marathon. This means either 1)I'm not meant to do that high of mileage; or 2)I didn't see the fruits of my labor immediately; or 3)some of my training methodology was wrong. I feel that the reality was a combination of all those reasons. When I do 100-mile weeks, I get fatigued, and don't race or work out well. However, I feel that all mieage adds to "lifetime base" and will pay off in later years. 2005 for me was a really good racing year, despite low mileage, and I think that the high mileage I did in 2004 set me up for the Grand Slam in 2005. Finally, most of my workouts in 2004 were geared toward VO2 Max (short intervals). I did little threshold and marathon-pace running, so it's no wonder that I crashed and burned at TOU that year; my body could not sustain a long effort nor store/burn fuel efficiently. Although I was doing more mileage in 2004, I still lacked any thoughtful training methodology, and just thought that if I ran lots of mileage and did track intervals, that I would become fast at all distances...immediately.

The training element that killed me the most for the 2004 TOU race was my taper. I went from doing 90-100 mile/weeks through August, to 35-45 miles/week in the two weeks before TOU. I felt led to do so because I felt fatigued from the mileage and I didn't know any better. But the taper was too sharp (50-60% cut) and sustained over too long a period of time (2 full weeks). During the 2006 Grand Slam, I experimented with great success with 10-20% tapers sustained over one week. For example, if I had been running 60 mpw, I would taper to 50 miles in the week preceding the marathon. I now believe that a key to good training is not to fatigue yourself, and if you are not fatigued there is no need to taper for longer than a week, or to cut your miles by more than 10-20%. Hard-gained fitness can be lost over long tapers. I see marathon programs advocating 3-week tapers, and that just seems wrong. If one's body is so broken down that one needs three weeks to mend, replenish, and fuel it, then the training program is fundamentally flawed to begin with. Everyone is different, of course, and have different needs, but it seems that if one is in good health, has trained within their limits, and fuels their body healthily, then 1 week or maybe 2 weeks at the very most should be sufficient to run an optimal marathon.

Those are my Sunday blog thoughts. Other thoughts and comments on optimal tapering are welcome.

Comments
From Cody on Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 18:35:37

I don't have a lot of experience with tapering as I have run only 2 marathons but here is my two-cents.

I feel it is best to be well rested whatever it takes to run the marathon. For some people, that means 10% less the week of the marathon others, 20%+. My personal feeling is that it is important to run every day that week, just not at the same intensity. My ideal taper is to drop mileage by 10% - 15% that week and cut intensity by 10% -30% that week. It seemed to work for me at TOU. I felt energized and was itching to run more miles on the Thurs and Fri before the marathon.

My experience with the Las Vegas Marathon was another experience all-together. I won't go into details, but I would categorize my training as a 3 month taper. Not a good idea. Losing your cardio base is a sure way to crash and burn.

As for the shorter races, I make no change in my routine, except to not run a high intensity workout the day before.

From Chad on Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 21:51:47

Paul,

Thanks for the detailed analysis of your experience. Very helpful. You make a great point about not trying to use the taper as a recovery period training that was too fatiguing.

The 3 week taper has become conventional wisdom for a lot of runners, particularly beginning marathoners. I have done long tapers in the past and have always worried about 1) loss of fitness; 2) weight gain; and 3) a loss of mental sharpness. Plus, I think the long taper tends to add to the anxiety of the marathon because it replaces a key stress-reliever, running, with down-time that only exaggerates the importance of the approach of race day.

This year I ran about 60 miles 2 weeks out and it felt just right. I took it down drastically marathon week (only 15 or so), and I would actually boost that a bit in the future, but not too much. Little fitness can be won or lost during the few days before a marathon.

From Mike on Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 16:47:44

Paul,

Check out the Hanson's website with training logs of several of their runners including Brian Sell (10 of their guys ran 1:15:30 or faster Sunday in Chicago). Sell runs a high mileage program at a relatively slow pace. Also see the article on H. Ramalaa (?) in Running Times last month. They don't run very hard compared to the mileage they do. My thought is that you do whatever mileage you can handle doing with good form. As soon as the form, from pace or accumulated fatigue, breaks then you are done that workout. I said that to Sasha once and he said that he should never start a run.

From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 17:41:34

Paul - I've done some thinking, and agree with Mike on this. 100 miles a week is just right or even undertraining if you are maintaining perfect form all the way through, and overtraining if you are starting to lose it. Perhaps that is one reason for splitting your runs in two or even three - you maintain better form if you give your legs a break.

From Paul Petersen on Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:00:13

I do like to do doubles, especially on taper weeks as a way to keep of volume but keep the legs fresh. I think my threshold for max mileage while keeping the legs fresh is about 80-85 mile/week.

From Superfly on Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 15:44:38

These are some great thoughts. Paul you pretty much recomfirmed my tapering this year for STGM. Pretty much a one week taper and still tryed to get in 60 mpw that week with the marathon. I don't think I'd ever taper more than that.

The 10-20% rule is right on for me.

I also think your "lifetime base" theory is pretty accurate. I'm just going through those early months and years of higher mileage, but am hoping that with the mileage will come some great years down the road.

I think my training in the future will be as many miles per week as I can, but not as hard as I can. So more distance, not speed.

Good stuff.

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